Profile #24: Bukky Adejobi – co-founder of Awa’Tori and career coach

Paul: Bukky Adejobi is a co-founder of Awa'Tori, promoting the creative industry in Africa & Japan through fashion, art & music. She's also a career coach and the co-founder of the AI consulting startup innovAItions.

Bukky and I spoke about her journey to Japan from Nigeria via Canada, her initial work in recruitment in Tokyo, building Awa'Tori, career coaching, AI innovation, and much more.

Hi Bukky. Thanks for joining me today. To start us off, please tell us a little about you.

Bukky: I was born in Nigeria, partially raised there, moved to Canada and have been in Japan for approximately nine years. In my nine years in Japan, I spent one year in Osaka as an exchange student at Kansai Gaidai, two years in Kyoto for my master’s studies at Doshisha University, and in 2017, I made the move to Tokyo with my dog. Somewhere in my time in Tokyo, I met my partner whom I now live with.

Firstly, let’s talk about Canada. What was your experience growing up there after moving from Nigeria?

Quite recently, I realised that I have been in Japan longer than I have lived in Canada.

Moving to Canada was eye-opening. I would say it was the beginning of my self-discovery. In Nigeria, there was just one colour, one “type” of people and one way of speaking. And then we moved to Canada, and it was like the world vomited colour and then you also began to see and recognize your colour and accent. I did not experience racism, but I became very aware of the differences and the way of thinking.

The biggest culture shock for me was the mental maturity of the kids my age – 13 at the time. My observation of 13 years old at the time was the sense of sexual maturity. I had friends make sexual jokes and talk about sexual experiences. On the flip side, as a 13-year-old in Nigeria, I had the mental maturity to have a sense of responsibility – to be responsible for myself and that of my younger sibling. We knew of sex, but our priorities were much different! Aside from that, it was great getting acclimated to Canada.

You gained your bachelor’s degree in business administration from Trent University in Ontario in 2014 and then decided to come to Japan for your MBA at Doshisha University. Why Japan and what kind of career did you have in mind for the future?

Doshisha was my second time in Japan and for a different reason than the first time. 

My first time in Japan was in 2012, as an exchange student at Kansai Gaidai University in Osaka. Japan was recommended by my Japanese friend who was completing her bachelor’s degree at my university. At the time, my first choice had been France, as I was studying French, but due to various reasons, it did not work out. At that point, I was open to going WHEREVER, and so when Japan was recommended, I thought “why not?”! The idea of studying in Japan interested me because I would be the only student from my school going to Japan in that academic calendar. I felt that people tend to stick together if they study abroad from the same university and I was intrigued by the idea of being “alone” in a completely foreign place, with an unknown language. So, I took the recommendation with the intent of only staying for one semester, but I enjoyed the experience and stayed for a year.

A big part of that experience that led me to stay was my business class teacher, who is now my mentor. During my year at Gaidai, I was introduced to the business and entrepreneurship world, which opened me up to the possibilities and opportunities of the corporate world.

I was studying Business Administration at the time but was still uncertain of what I wanted to do as a career, so I decided to pursue MBA opportunities to explore my career options with a business degree. After months of research, and cost comparisons, I decided to return to Japan for the second time with a great recommendation and a 50% tuition scholarship.

At this point, I still wasn’t 100% certain what career I wanted to pursue, only a thought that “it’d be nice to run a business”. By the end of my master’s, the only thing that was clear to me was my desire to start what has now become Awa’Tori.

We’ll come back to Awa’Tori in a moment, but before that, you joined a multinational recruiting company as a recruiter after your MBA in 2017. Why recruiting and how did working in the industry affect you and your future career plans?

Agency recruitment was never something I considered, but I toyed with the idea of consulting, specifically something in investment banking, and M&A. 

After completing my master’s and doing some soul-searching for a year in Canada, I decided Japan was where I could make an impact. I reached out to a number of connections I had made while in Japan, one of whom was the CFO of Armani Japan at the time, who referred me to a recruiter from his network. Thinking it was an introduction for an in-house position, I took the leap and made a 1-week trip to Japan to meet with the managers of Allegis Group Japan at the time.

Speaking with them, I saw it as an opportunity to learn about the different types of jobs that exist in the corporate world. As someone uncertain as to the path to take in the in-between of figuring out how to make my goal a reality, the opportunity with Allegis Group seemed like the perfect fit for the in-between.

What did you think you gained from your experience in recruiting?

From my experience in recruiting, I gained several key skills and insights. Among these, the most significant are my abilities to listen attentively, interpret underlying messages, and communicate effectively. As a recruiter, engaging with both clients and candidates, it’s crucial to understand the unsaid. Very often, clients struggle to articulate their exact needs in a candidate in alignment with their organisational goals. It’s more about a certain ‘feel’ they seek but can’t quite express. In instances like this, my role as a recruitment consultant was to read between the lines and ask pointed questions to uncover these latent requirements. Without this skill, matching the right candidate to the client’s needs becomes a formidable challenge. This skill is equally important when dealing with candidates. For instance, a candidate with a background in HR management might not consider an HR Business Partner opportunity, viewing it as a step down due to the job title. However, depending on the scope within a particular company, this role could lead to more significant positions, like a country manager, or offer experiences such as managing larger teams and making a broader impact. Conversely, some candidates seek lower-grade roles, desiring less responsibility. Understanding these nuances is critical. Moreover, companies often overlook candidates like a Talent Acquisition Specialist for an HR Business Partner role, not seeing the potential fit. Here, a consultant’s role is to bridge this gap by understanding both the client’s needs and the candidate’s capabilities, and recognizing when they align.

A key realization from my recruiting career is that neither companies nor candidates fully comprehend each other’s present and future potential. This lack of complete understanding underpins the importance of a consultant’s role in the recruitment process. These experiences and skills acquired in recruiting have significantly influenced my career path, leading me towards coaching, where these skills are invaluable.

After leaving recruiting in 2018, you co-founded Awa’Tori, with the mission of bridging the gap between African and Japanese creative industries. Tell us a little about Awa’Tori – what do you do, how do you do it, and what would you like to achieve?

The name Awa’Tori was coined by my co-founder Seiko Mbako and is a play on words in Japanese and Pidgin English, one of the most commonly spoken languages in Africa. In Japanese, it translates into 合わせる and 通り, and in Pidgin English means Our Story.

Awa’Tori is a B2B and B2C creative consulting company that plays in the middle between the African and Japanese creative industries. From fashion, art, music and film, to culture.

Since we started in 2019, we have mainly been focused on the fashion space as that was where a majority of our connections were at the time. We have successfully held five fashion week events under our FACE A-J project, four at Rakuten Tokyo Fashion Week and one at Lagos Fashion Week, introducing African brands to the Japanese market and Japanese brands to the Nigerian market.

During my MBA thesis – Market Entry for Niche Designers into the Japan Fashion Industry, I postulated that simply participating in fashion weeks was not the best or cost-effective way to enter the market. So we had always planned to take things beyond the fashion shows. 

Two months ago, we launched our e-commerce website that predominantly carries African fashion brands and is focused on the sustainability of the value and supply chain, exclusivity, and interactive storytelling of the ethos of each brand. We work outside the fashion industry calendar of Spring Summer & Autumn Winter collections, on a Trunk show/made-to-order model where we carry a select number of designers for a set period during which customers can order. Only after the order period is over that we have the designers make the pieces. We have no inventory.

Our goal is to go back to doing the shows but in conjunction with the e-commerce platform. Beyond this, we aim to become the go-to agency in Japan and Asia for organising and facilitating impactful, informative and entertaining creative industries collaborations between the African and Japanese markets, and expand to other aspects of the creative space like art, cuisine, music and film.

Aside from Awa’Tori, earlier this year, I also co-founded an AI consulting business, innovAItions, with my partner Dennis Ilic, to help bring innovative AI solutions to Japan, and the reverse, from Japan to the world, with a focus on SMEs. 

Having been in the tech industry for the last 2.5 years through Code Chrysalis, I have learnt a bit about the industry and software development. And with Dennis coming from an aerospace engineering background and successfully bringing 500 EVs into Japan with B-ON and also having freshly launched a business helping fleet operators electrify, eMotion Fleet, in Japan, he basically lives and breathes tech. Right now, there is so much going on in the world of AI outside and inside Japan, which is why we decided to leverage our internationality to help bring existing products to Japan and help Japanese SMEs in the AI space expand overseas.

Our first project is to bring a German-made meeting summary and note-taking software, jamie to Japan. In a society that has shifted more and more towards working remotely and having meetings on a daily basis, it can be challenging to remember everything that was said during the meeting and difficult to take note of every important detail. Jamie uses the audio in- and output of your device to summarise the key points of the meeting in your preferred language (Japanese, English, Chinese, French, German and a few more), generate action items and provide transcripts taking note of each speaker’s language. Furthermore, jamie does not store any audio recordings, the audio is immediately deleted after it’s transferred to text. Since it works purely based on audio, it works with any meeting tool, and even offline meetings.

innovAItions in a completely different world from Awa’Tori, but they overlap in some ways, and I am very excited to see how they both evolve.

You’re also an experienced career coach, including career coaching at Code Chrysalis, and are involved with the Japan Ontological Coaching Association. Tell us about your interest and experience in coaching (and what does ‘ontological’ mean??)

I feel that my journey to coaching had been a long time coming, but I only realised it during my time at Kansai Gaidai.

Moving to Canada from Nigeria, I became very quickly aware of the difference in my approach to and perception of things, the difference between what my brain wanted and what I physically felt comfortable doing, I always had the question “why?” in my mind. Why or how could I not get myself to dance in public even though I really wanted to and had played the dance moves in my head over and over again, telling myself each time I went out that “this time would be it!”. It might seem like such a trivial thing, but understanding the basis of why we are who we are, how it impacts how we see ourselves and the world around us, highly impacts how we show up to the world and how the world sees us.

It was during my time at Aston Carter – Allegis Group, that I really embodied coaching. I realised my passion for helping people to uncluster their minds. I enjoyed listening to their stories…it always felt like a mystery puzzle where you never know what you’ll get.

During this, I met the person who specifically introduced me to Ontological coaching, Rina Sakuraba. Rina was what we called a “hot candidate”. As a bilingual HR professional working at GE at the time, she had expertise in change management and talent management, among many other HR skills, and I was tasked to headhunt her. After a number of cold messages and phone calls, she finally responded and that marked the beginning of our relationship. She never took my offer to leave GE, but we kept in touch and met once in a while to catch up on life, sharing about projects we were working on.

During one of our catch-ups, Rina shared about the coaching program she had taken – The Newfield Partnership Ontological Coaching program, and her dream to create a team of bilingual coaches in Japan. Coincidentally, I was exploring the idea of getting certified as a coach at that time. Reflecting on my journey, the ontological approach resonated with me. Rather than looking at my actions, it explored who I was in all of it, physically and metaphysically. Why was it important for ME to be able to dance in public, what did it mean to me, and why couldn’t I do it?

Ontology is a study of the being, and the ontological coaching approach explores change from the essence of being, the individual looking to make the change.

Rina launched a bilingual coaching organisation, 35 CoCeation that offers bilingual ontological coaching services for individuals and organisations, like leadership and team coaching. And to help spread the ontological coaching approach, as a hub for spreading the word in Japan, and from Japan to the world, the Japan Ontological Coaching Association (JOCA), which I am a board member of. It is a really interesting concept that I can go on and on about, and Rina and I write articles about it on our LinkedIn Page.

You can read more about ontological coaching here and here.

The ontological coaching approach has played a huge role in my life even before I knew it. It played a role in my contest prep for the Fitness World Japan competition, as well as in my professional and personal life.

You competed at Fitness World Japan?

Haha yes! It was an item on my bucket list, and I finally checked it off in December last year. I worked with an old high school friend who works as a coach in Canada for four months to compete in the Bikini category at the FWJ/IFBB contest that took place in Osaka. Before this, I had spent a year trying to coach myself, as hiring a coach or personal trainer for competitions can be prohibitively expensive. You’re looking at a minimum of ¥15,000 per hour, and with at least 100 hours needed for contest prep, the costs quickly add up – not to mention the other expenses associated with the preparation and the competition itself.

During my initial self-coaching phase, I faced significant challenges. Due to my lack of expertise and mismanagement, I inadvertently steered myself towards body dysmorphia and eating issues. Fortunately, this coincided with my participation in an ontological program course, which helped me recognize these signs and their negative impact on my interaction with the world. Despite fearing the reactions of friends and supporters, I found the courage to pause my contest preparation. 

After four months of recuperating, and travelling within and outside Japan, I decided to give it another try, this time with the help of a coach. Working with my coach, I got a better understanding of how to balance my diet, exercise, and mindset. I came 2nd in the Bikini Open category and 4th in the Bikini Novice category.

Very impressive! What does your typical workday look like?

A typical day for me is, I wake up somewhere between 6:30 – 7:30 am. Immediately take the dog out for a walk, followed by coffee and breakfast. Then it’s straight to work. My partner and I work from home, so we just go to our home office. My main job is at Code Chrysalis, so most of my time is spent doing that, having meetings with the bootcamp graduates who are job hunting and meetings with people in the tech community to explore collaboration opportunities between them and our alumni community. 

After work is followed by meetings or admin work related to Awa’Tori, innovAItions, 35 CoCeation, and JOCA and sometimes during lunch. From 6 pm till whenever is required. During the launch of our e-commerce platform, this was as late as 2 am. Sometimes, weekends don’t feel like weekends. I am either doing shoots for Awa’Tori, coaching work, or brainstorming and business development for innovAItions.

How do you spend your time outside of work?

With everything that is going on, I still make the effort to relax. From vegging at home binge binge-watching TV, to hiking, motorbiking, camping and going on road trips.

What are some of your goals for the future?

This always feels like a big question! My long-term goal is to be financially independent – to have multiple successful businesses that positively contribute to people’s lives, organisations and the society we live in. Of course make money, starting with Awa’Tori and innovAItions. The goal is to have them be successful enough for my partners and me to be hands-off. I would also like to be a VC partner and help others build their businesses.

Quickfire questions

– what’s the most important piece of advice you’d give yourself if you could go back in time to your arrival in Japan?

Take Japanese classes!! During my time at Kansai Gaidai, I had the opportunity to take two Japanese language classes where I learnt basic grammatical structure and comprehension. Beyond this, I have put myself in environments that have allowed me to passively learn and improve my Japanese – from working in a ramen shop during my time at Doshisha to predominantly working with Japanese speakers at Awa’Tori. However, I acknowledge that my proficiency in Japanese, particularly with kanji, is not yet at my desired level. If I had considered learning Japanese before coming to Japan, I believe that my Japanese would be exponentially better.

– how do you learn new skills and what are you learning currently?

With time! At the moment, I am trying to improve my Japanese, so I make an effort to read news exerts on an app called “Todaii: Easy Japanese”  [Apple / Android]

I also found that I developed a habit of going for audio or visual content rather than written content, but I am trying to make a conscious effort to choose written content when possible.

– tell me a few of your favourite or most recently read books, movies, podcasts, and games.

The most recent books I read are:

I mainly watch TV series, and I’m currently watching a few: Lupin, Invasion, Upload, and Slow Horses.

I’m not much of a gamer, but the most recent board game I played was a 5-minute dungeon.

– name a historical figure that you admire and explain why.

As strange as it might sound, I don’t really have one. There are many historical figures who I think did interesting things in life, but that is pretty much it.

– what’s your favourite place to visit in Japan?

The mountains! Hiking in the mountains in Japan is a different experience than in Canada or the US. There’s a sense of peace and serenity that I get when I’m in the mountains. Maybe it’s the tiny shrines that seem to be present in most of them.

– what’s the best thing you’ve spent 10,000 JPY on in Japan?

It’s no longer summer, but I’d have to say my summer hiking sandals.

Finally, do you have any asks for our readers?

My ask for the readers is to check out the companies I mentioned and try out the different products.

Great to catch up with you Bukky, as always! Best of luck with your continuing endeavours.

You can connect with Bukky via her LinkedIn profile here.

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